Meeting 2016 03 04

Meeting Transcript
Logging started on 03/04/2016 at 14:51:40. 15:03:23 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Thank you, there will be two more along shortly. 15:03:57 [Annalura-Sentinels]: Cool cool. 15:04:08 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We'll be waiting a few minutes to get started, let more people trickle online 15:04:19 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I've had a few people let me know that they'll be a tad late, anyway. 15:04:29 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I'll get started in 10-15 minutes I think. 15:04:39 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Well, it is a week day and many people work today. 15:04:42 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Everyone has assist to get others in 15:06:14 [Leatei-Sentinels]: This was the time that worked best for the most people, but I've been informed of traffic, late busses, and family issues 15:17:03 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay, we're going to get started pretty soon, just going to give folks a few more minutes to show up. Again, everyone has assist if you know anyone else who would like to participate. 15:17:32 [Leatei-Sentinels]: TL;DR: invite your friends, poke chat channels, maybe even ask trade. 15:19:15 [Rrath-Sentinels]: Hey, I'm Oracle, this is an alt. Unless I have to hop on another toon I might stay on this one. 15:21:24 [Leatei-Sentinels]: No need to switch, just letting people trickle in before we get going. 15:21:39 [Kirawolfkin-Sentinels]: Hiya! :) 15:21:42 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Everyone has assist, if you see people online that aren't in group and wanted to participate. 15:24:10 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Aroan and Neena just got dc'd. They'll return soon 15:24:24 [Leatei-Sentinels]: No problem, we'll get started when they get back, then. 15:24:40 [Neenareneé-TheScryers]: Back 15:25:02 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Feel free to invite people as they trickle on, once we get started. I'm going to turn off all but raid chat, so I won't see log on/off messages. 15:25:37 [Neenareneé-TheScryers]: Aroan is back as well 15:25:46 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Good afternoon everybody!  Just to let you know, I have a good portion of this pre-typed, so please have patience while things are copied and pasted. 15:25:56 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I have some things to say before I'll open up for questions and comments, but we'll make sure to address everyone's concerns, and I will post a summary of our discussion on the server forums after we've wrapped up, so the discussion can continue for those 15:26:10 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I'd also like to promote the wiki that some of our newer friends have made, at sentinelsus.wikia.comThere's a great template for character pages, and it'd be nice to get pages up for guilds and recurring RP events, as well. 15:26:24 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Please have patience while all the wiki stuff gets updated and properly formatted, but by the nature of wikis, feel free to contribute! 15:26:36 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I am also currently working on a small flash program that will create a customized portrait for your character, should you not have one to use, but keep in mind that this will take me a few weeks to complete. 15:26:52 [Leatei-Sentinels]: First off, I think we need to re-establish the general rules of the game, as laid out by Blizzard. 15:26:59 [Leatei-Sentinels]: This includes no ERP in public channels (whispers, party, and instance chats have been confirmed to be private), no harassment (including unwanted whispers), and no griefing RP events. 15:27:09 [Leatei-Sentinels]: If you see any of these things, report, ignore, move on. Reporting to Blizzard via the in-game system is great, but if you can, please also report to the person's guild officers, so that it can be handled more efficiently, 15:27:14 [Leatei-Sentinels]: especially if it's something that doesn't necessarily fall against the rules, but is a detriment to the RP community (metagaming, severe mary sues, etc) 15:28:24 [Leatei-Sentinels]: On the list of topics today are Guild Drama, Etiquette, World RP, and RP Community Goals. If you have anything else you'd like to discuss, please let me know and we'll go over it. 15:28:45 [Leatei-Sentinels]: If you don't want to say something in raid chat, feel free to whisper me and I'll bring it up so you can remain anonymous. 15:29:00 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Any questions at this point? 15:29:15 [Tehoracle-Sentinels]: What sparked this meeting to take place? 15:30:01 [Leatei-Sentinels]: There have been some issues with inter-guild drama, reports of harassment and public ERP, and I think if we all just get on the same page we can cooperate to make the server a better place without a need to call anyone out individually. 15:30:08 [Aroan-TheScryers]: As me and Neena do have an appiontment to keep. We will have to step out early. however will be looking forward to reading on the forums. We will be staying as long as we can however. 15:30:30 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I do appreciate you guys coming out, as our CRZ buddies! 15:30:58 [Neenareneé-TheScryers]: Absolutely, we appreciate that :) 15:31:12 [Aroan-TheScryers]: Anything agreed upon will also be address and gone over with the windswords as well. 15:32:07 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We appreciate that, and hopefully we can get a little more cross-server interaction going in the future. 15:32:42 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Any other questions before we get to the heart of the matter? 15:33:15 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Will there be a post only on the wikia page? Or the server forums as well? 15:34:06 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I hadn't thought of putting it on the wiki, but I'll do that, too. I'll definitely post a summary on the Sentinels forums. 15:36:08 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay!  Getting to the deep stuff!  RE: Guild Drama 15:36:16 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think there's been a lot of misconceptions, preconceptions, and miscommunication between guilds on our server group.  This is the main reason for our meeting today, and I'd again like to thank everyone for attending. 15:36:40 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think a lot of the issues we've had can be solved with being a bit more open-mindedness, and acting like adults. What I mean by that is to step back, calm down, and talk out our problems with each other. 15:36:52 [Leatei-Sentinels]: If you can't solve your problem with an individual, take it to their guild. If any discussion needs a 3rd party to mediate, don't be afraid to ask! I think we all want this to be a strong community, and that starts with good communication. 15:37:33 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I know not everyone works in the same exact storyline, and with lore revisions left and right there are always conflicts on what is and isn't considered canon. 15:38:07 [Leatei-Sentinels]: However, if you can't work things out with someone, there is no obligation to RP with that person. Rather than escalating a situation, just don't RP with that individual. 15:38:21 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Does anyone have anything to add to this? 15:38:25 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: i do. 15:39:21 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: you say we can just not RP with that person, but when people come to an RP event try to control the RP through interactions, it leaves very little room to disengage, short of just not RPing. 15:40:26 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: specifically, i've been witness to several accounts of IC iinteractions where people are basically saying "you're doiing it wrong" or other iinteractions where people have outright tried to force people to stop whatever they are doing iC> 15:40:32 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's something that needs to be taken up with their guild officers, then. Because if someone doesn't like your character, and they're coming up to you, then it's on them to walk away. If they start trying to control your interactions or start hurling 15:40:39 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Insults, that's harassment and needs to be reported. 15:41:06 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: After gamorr is finished, I would like to add something to this as well. 15:41:33 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: so what you're sayiing, in no uncertain terms, is that if you don't like someone else's RP, it's not your responsibility to try to police it as long as it doesn't violate TOS, right? 15:41:40 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's correct. 15:41:50 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: *nod* that's all i have. 15:41:58 [Leatei-Sentinels]: No one has an obligation to RP with anyone else, but if you try to interfere with *their* RP, then you are the one in the wrong. 15:44:33 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: If I may take the floor briefly. I would like to add to the words just mentioned. 15:44:40 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Please do. 15:45:57 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: In regards to interactions between players and characters. We also have to understand that there is a difference between the IC and the OOC. When we Role-play, we take on the role of our characters, and act as they would in their contexts. 15:46:45 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Physical, Historical, Social, Psychological & Emotional, and even Cultural contexts are all what we assume away from our own when we play. This means of course that there will be some roles that will not get along so swimmingly with others. 15:46:54 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's an excellent point, Raeli. And something very important to remember on an RP server. Just because someone doens't like your character, doesn't mean there is a problem OOC. 15:46:55 [Leatei-Sentinels]: It can be difficult to make that dinstinction, but separating OOC and IC interactions is extremely important to reduce OOC drama and makes for better RP overall. 15:47:32 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: What if someone's characters tend to treat my characters more poorly than others with little or no reason? Our characters have just met for the first time, but my characters tend to be treated very poorly compared to anyone else's. I feel like I'm being 15:47:32 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: bullied. 15:48:23 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: I'd say ask icly.. or bring it up in an ooc whisper? 15:48:26 [Leatei-Sentinels]: If it's by a single individual, I'd try to point it out to them - they may not realize they're doing it. If you can't work it out with that person, I'd either go to their guild officers or ask a 3rd party to help mediate the situation. 15:49:55 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Maybe we can add that to the wiki page, where people can list themselves as volunteers to mediate issues, and times they're usually available. 15:49:59 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Indeed, with interpersonal communication there are always multiple messages being sent. Even those that we're not aware of, to the other person. And while we may mean to send one message, they may interpret it as something else based on what they see or 15:49:59 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: hear. 15:50:13 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: so... RPClassified is an ooc channel, is it not? If someone is being abusive or obstinate in those channels, we assume those are ooc, correct? 15:50:19 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Yes. 15:50:20 [Aroan-TheScryers]: Many roleplayers get caught up in their characters so much, that they may not realize that they are doing it. Asking OOC should never be a faux pas. It helps let everyone know what you are feeling. So that we can try to help everyone enjoy it. 15:51:30 [Leatei-Sentinels]: And miscommunication is so much more frequent with text-based interactions! 15:52:07 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Indeed, because much of the communication sent between the sender and recieves is non-verbal. Facial expressions, body language, even tone. 15:52:59 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I try to RP by the personal rule that drama is great - as long as it stays IC. 15:53:08 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Or in the theatre. 15:53:31 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Any other comments before we move on? 15:53:35 [Tehoracle-Sentinels]: "Oracle, give Kymaea her body back!" "Give me your blessing." 15:53:39 [Leatei-Sentinels]: ^ 15:54:18 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's a great example. Oracle and I are friends OOC, but hoooooo boy do most of my characters hate his warlock IC. 15:54:18 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Given so little vital information is conveyed through letters on the screen, it may help when getting into tense IC situations to deliberately add more descriptive phrasing to your emotes, to clarify exactly what your character means. 15:54:50 [Neenareneé-TheScryers]: All right everyone, Aroan and I need to get going, but we appreciate getting to come to this, and I look forward to reading up on what was covered later :) Have a great day!)) 15:55:02 [Tehoracle-Sentinels]: ttyl, thanks for coming you two. 15:55:06 [Aroan-TheScryers]: Thank you for your time, sorry we gotta split. 15:55:24 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: ./waves tail. 15:55:52 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Thanks for coming! 15:56:52 [Leatei-Sentinels]: On that note, I think we can segue right into our next topic: RP Etiquette 15:57:04 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I've already mentioned ERP, but I think it's important to touch on it again (phrasing!)  Public displays of affection aren't necessarily ERP, but if it's something that would get you asked to leave a mall or restaurant IRL, 15:57:10 [Leatei-Sentinels]: don't do it in public chat.  This includes descriptions of nudity, genitals, and bodily fluids. 15:57:16 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I also want to mention consent. This includes whispers, and IC and OOC consent - if someone isn't comfortable with a situation, STOP. If the scene is that important for character development, but a player isn't 15:57:21 [Leatei-Sentinels]: comfortable RPing it out, fade to black and hand-wave it. 15:57:28 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Remember, a lack of no doesn't mean yes. 15:57:52 [Leatei-Sentinels]: It's important to communicate OOC in any situation where there's high tension (good or bad) IC. 15:59:10 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Does anyone have anything else to add here? 16:00:06 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: I would also like to mention this can also apply for joining any Roleplay you see a guild doing on their own. 16:00:32 [Noelina-Sentinels]: There's a thought tickling at my brain but it's not articulable yet so I'll wait and bring it up later if necessary. 16:00:41 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Indeed! And if it's a private event, that can be addressed either IC or OOC. 16:01:10 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: While we are trying to promote open Role-play. Many guilds will host internal events for their members to partake in. If you desire to join, please be courteous and ask the members before stepping in. 16:01:47 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: If they decline, then they have declined. They wish to keep it internal, that's fine. If they welcome you in to the RP. Then a new adventure awaits. 16:02:19 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: I was originally going to make this a question, but now that I think about it, your characters don't have to perform an emote to be too innapropriate >.> Now that I think about it some of the stuff I spew out IC is pretty lewd and wouldn't be good around 16:02:19 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: some people. 16:02:29 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Agreed. "Mind if I join you?" is one of the best questions one can ask. 16:03:25 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's a good point, Mabyn. If someone is being too crude and making you uncomfortable, don't be afraid to ask them to tone it down! (IC or OOC). And if someone asks you to do that, respect their wishes. 16:04:06 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: However, if they do refuse, and do not wish to be censored. As there are many who enjoy their freedom of speech. That is also to be respected. 16:04:24 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Not every person, or every character is going to be politically correct, or refrain from foul language. 16:04:40 [Tehoracle-Sentinels]: Oracle is one who celebrates freedom of speech very loudly and foully. 16:04:56 [Leatei-Sentinels]: As long as they're within the realm of reasonable language that doesn't fall under any of the official rules, that is. 16:05:14 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: In which case, if they do not cease. There is a mature language filter. 16:05:14 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: if you go to a bar, don't complain about people getting drunk. and if you enter a library, don't complaiin it's "boring". you have to tailor your behavior to the location/situation, IC and OOC. 16:06:06 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think that brings us to another minor point of etiquette - Mary Sues and Meta/power gaming. 16:06:41 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Now, most characters have interesting quirks, and unique qualities, but that doesn't mean it's fun to RP with a character that has no consequences. 16:07:36 [Leatei-Sentinels]: If your character is starting fights in a bar, they're probably going to be escorted out by whatever form of security there is (bouncer, city guards, etc)... obviously this can't be enforced through game mechanics, but stories don't advance if you remove 16:07:44 [Leatei-Sentinels]: yourself from all forms of consequence for your character's actions. 16:08:57 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: In regards to Meta and other ettiquette. 16:09:25 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: There are many addons out there that allow us to make in game profiles for our characters with physical descriptions and historys. 16:09:31 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Full names, and even titles. 16:09:50 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: While these are handy for your own reference, and even fun to read for others sometimes. 16:10:10 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: It should be mentioned that when you meet another character IC. Your character will not know these things in advanced. 16:10:27 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Unless they are physically visible or blaringly obvious. 16:10:33 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Indeed. 16:10:36 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Don't be afraid to ret-con! We all make mistakes, and it's easy to go back and re-post your greeting without someone's unknown name. Or to alter your profile a bit so that your adult war-veteran Nigth Elf isn't 30 years old... 16:10:47 [Tehoracle-Sentinels]: *may not. I think characters with official titles or, like, big faces might be recognized. 16:10:53 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Such things, like a character's class. Worgen's in their human form. Names, histories. 16:11:53 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: While some classes are harder to hide than others. *We're looking into your eyes Death Knights*. Classes like mages, priests, warlocks, can be more difficult to tell apart. 16:12:10 [Leatei-Sentinels]: This all goes back to separating IC and OOC. It isn't easy, and I don't think anyone would be upset with a quick whisper of "Oh, hey, I didn't say my name." or "You wouldn't know I was X unless........" 16:12:12 [Noelina-Sentinels]: However, one should also strive not to get offended when someone does slip over the meta-divide, as oftentimes they may not even be aware of it. New players especially tend to refer to people they meet by name or class. 16:12:13 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: That is unless the warlock is on fire, has demons in tow, and is wearing the tier five set. 16:12:26 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: not a lot of paladins running around in feral form, eh? 16:12:42 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: ahh... noting that Rae 16:13:04 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: I will admit, I have been guilty of over reacting about these slip ups when stressed. 16:13:05 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: if you are a warlock.. do NOT be saying it around Stormwind.. or having a demon in tow in town. it is decreed in lore that it is not acceptable 16:13:27 [Leatei-Sentinels]: War Crimes retconned that. Warlocks are now an accepted part of the Alliance military. 16:13:44 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Shhh, don't let Oracle hear that! 16:13:45 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: I didn't see a part where they wre allowed to summon in town though 16:13:49 [Leatei-Sentinels]: What was the line Varian said? "They have air ships, but we have WARLOCKS!" 16:13:51 [Ogumel-Sentinels]: The female warlock that winked at Varian... 16:13:57 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: we don't love them, but they are... 16:14:01 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: that was in Pandaria.. and they were under attack lol 16:14:01 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Ah, summoning demons is probably a bit of a different story. 16:14:20 [Leatei-Sentinels]: But I don't think there'd be a problem with openly being a warlock anymore. 16:14:24 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: true 16:14:28 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Needless to stay, take your character's role context into consideration, and then the context of their enviornment. 16:15:07 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: While they may not be considered criminals anymore, Just like with Elves and Trolls. There is still a bit of tension, and even fear. 16:15:12 [Leatei-Sentinels]: And just work out individual situations with the group you're RPing with. Lore is... fluid. Hopefully the compendium, as it is released, will solidify some things. 16:15:12 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Yeah. Running into a warlock in the Slaughtered Lamb is going to carry different connotations than meeting one in the Cathedral of Light. 16:16:21 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: can I bring something up? I'm not sure it's the rigth time though. 16:16:25 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Mentioning the cathedral and warlocks... I also feel like we should mention that while they may be a certain class. Characters are entitled to their own ideologys and beliefs. 16:16:28 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Please do, Sandy! 16:16:36 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: If I met a lock in the cathedral.. I'd be scared. cause that is one ballsy lock 16:16:37 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Ok. If you see a guild running an event. 16:17:00 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Please. Please. Ask to join. I was running something last night, had about three players show up, play 'chapperone' then leave. 16:17:27 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: one of them attempted to co-opt the event and take over. I did not appreciate it, but I still invited them to go anyway. It's only polite. 16:17:57 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: It was so frustrating, to have to deal with, I honestly just wanted to call the event off. 16:18:10 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Thank you for being so open, Sandy! We did touch on that, but it's an important note to emphasize. Ask if you're welcome if it looks like a guild event, and respect the answer! 16:18:14 [Kirawolfkin-Sentinels]: Aww. :( 16:18:19 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Either join respectfully or leave if asked. 16:18:29 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Like, more the merrier, it was supposed to be a fun little thing. 16:18:48 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: But what bothered me is felt like we were being 'checked on', then someone tried to just take over. 16:19:27 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And the next time I fun a funsie little thing, I'll toss invites to the gleaders-we can make it a server event. 16:19:42 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's definitely not cool. Anyone trying to interfere with someone else's RP event is in the wrong, plain and simple. 16:20:05 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: well I didn't want to fuss, it seemed far classier to just roll with it.  and some good interaction came out of it ic. 16:20:23 [Leatei-Sentinels]: If this happens again, Sandy, we're trying to get guild pages on the wikia, so we can list officers for each guild so you can at least touch base with them before it becomes a real problem. 16:20:53 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Fantastic! 16:21:03 [Leatei-Sentinels]: On that note... 16:21:06 [Leatei-Sentinels]: World RP! 16:21:08 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Like I said, the more the merrier :3 16:21:15 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Let's do it more! Show how fun RP can be, and remember that intentional griefing of RP is against the Blizzard ToS on RP servers, so report it as such (include the server, time, character names if possible, and what was done to interfere with your RP) 16:21:23 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Don't be afraid to interact with other servers, as well. We don't have a lot going on between Sentinels, Kirin Tor, and Steamwheedle Cartel, despite being in the same server group now. Also don't be afraid to set things up (outside of SW/Org) with peopl 16:21:38 [Leatei-Sentinels]: people on Argent Dawn, The Scryers, and Earthen Ring. 16:22:03 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: The difficulty I see with AD, ER and Scryers is a lack of MRP. 16:22:20 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: It's always awkward to walk up to someone, not knowing if they are ic, and then use the wrong name >.> 16:22:34 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: sidenote, i've got a lot of real ID friends from other servers that are also RP. there's nothing wrong with inviting people from Scarlet Crusade or Feathermoon. They just can't go into major cities. 16:22:54 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: Also, moonguard is server blocked with SC and FM. but for some reason they have their own private goldshire. 16:23:13 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That is more difficult for walk-up RP for other servers, but I believe XRP does work cross-realm but I think for friends list only. 16:23:14 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Gee... 16:23:23 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Yeah, MG has its own Elwynn Forest. 16:23:30 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: wonder why... 16:23:36 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Is there some way we can...like...tag ourselves as rpers? 16:23:43 [Leatei-Sentinels]: But other than that, any other server (even non-RP servers!) can join any zone other than Stormwind and Orgrimmar 16:23:58 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: besides just RP emoting in the world? i don't know. i usually just RP walk and people come RP with me. 16:24:17 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Well Gam. I don't have your charisma, it was my dump stat 16:24:19 [Kirawolfkin-Sentinels]: TRP 3 is a great addon to flag yourself as an rper. 16:24:43 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Does it work xrealm though? 16:24:50 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: nah, everyone just likes a friendly kitty. I just sit on fence posts and purr and people interact. 16:24:55 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I use MRP, but if TRP works xrealm, then why not? 16:25:18 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: TRP retains profilse xrealm. 16:25:26 [Noelina-Sentinels]: XRP does crossrealm, but I don't think TRP has that feature yet. I haven't checked recently though. 16:25:36 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Danke schon! Apologies for my late arrival 16:25:39 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: XRP is buggy 16:25:39 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Oooh. 16:25:41 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: i've tried it.. 16:25:47 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I might have to try it then *shrug* 16:25:47 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Just bear in mind that a group moves to the server with its highest level member - or in the case of multiple 100s, to the server with the most max level characters or the person who invites if it's an equal number (complicated, I know) 16:25:50 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: As in, if I have been on Scryers, seen them, and read their profile, I will have the most recent profile I have seen from them while looking at them on any other realm. 16:25:52 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: some times it works some times it doesnt. 16:26:18 [Leatei-Sentinels]: XRP had an update a few weeks ago? Might be a month or two, but I haven't had issue with it since, and I have been able to see cross-realm profiles 16:26:19 [Kirawolfkin-Sentinels]: a forum post says trp does, i'll have to test it out. :) 16:26:32 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Might be worth giving it a shot then. 16:26:45 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: cools 16:26:49 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: i'll check it out again then 16:27:09 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I like XRP over TRP mostly due to interface, and that XRP autoconverted my existing MRP profiles 16:27:16 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: I have explained how trp xrealm profiles work. You will get their most recent profile you have seen if you have made a toon on their realm/faction and read their profile at least once. If you flag them as an relationship status, including neutral, their 16:27:16 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: profile will not get deleted from your logs and you will see that character's profile any time you see them. 16:30:51 [Leatei-Sentinels]: With our later arrivals, I'd like to point out again that I'm going to post this discussion on the forums so you can re-read what we talked about and anyone who wasn't able to make the meeting can contribute any comments or questions they may have. 16:31:13 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Appreciate that. I was busy with RL when Og poked me. Lol 16:31:16 [Leatei-Sentinels]: The last point that I would like to bring up is our RP Community goals. 16:31:26 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Here's where I really want a lot of input. I think we'd all benefit from some stated mutual goals. Some things I'd like to see is more world/pick-up RP. Not just scheduled guild events. I'd also like to see more interaction 16:31:32 [Leatei-Sentinels]: between the servers and cooperative guild events and joint storylines. 16:31:38 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I'll leave that up to the guild officers themselves to coodinate and schedule, but I think everyone would benefit from that - not only having a richer storyline, but also meeting new characters and players. 16:32:05 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I would love to see that. 16:32:24 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Same. It'd give us all more reason to come out of our garrisons more. 16:32:40 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: On that line, what happens when something happens in an area? 16:32:46 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: I honestly couldn't agree with that more. What we are hoping to establish here on Sentinels is an RP community - not just guilds. A sort of egrarian setup OOC where every individual is valued. This does mean a neccesity for more walk-up RP. 16:32:56 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Like, moonbrrok isn't a craphole anymore, or something? 16:33:15 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Do you mean IC or in game, Sandy? 16:33:20 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: IC. 16:33:30 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: It got blown up in a NDC mini story 16:33:39 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: It's also very important to establish that the entire community set in motion has come to accept the terms/goals we are promoting; so to avoid a take-over of guilds playing with their own rules and superimposing popularity as a result to reasonable agreem 16:33:44 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think that should be determined by whomever is running the event, and RP'd as stated for that event. 16:33:46 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And it's slowly being rebuilt. 16:33:58 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Fair enough, woul that have lasting server effects, or just for the event? 16:34:01 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: I think it's a great intention to have everyone united for RP, but some people have different interests. That's why we have multiple guilds instead of just making a super guild thing. Sometimes we don't mesh up. 16:34:41 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Of course, we're not promoting one super big guild. We're merely implimenting a system that has checks and balances to prevent just that. 16:34:43 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think that would be up to the people involved. It would have lasting effects for your guild, obviously, but I think it would have to be a choice for anyone else who wanted to accept that as server canon. 16:34:44 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: there are some of us who travel between guilds with no problem. i know i've dropped iin on other guild events, and i've encountered a lot of public pug rp. 16:34:51 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I don't think we're tying to be bestie besties, but get along. 16:34:53 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Work together. 16:35:01 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We can't really control what others think or do, and it may conflict with another storyline that may have happened. 16:35:12 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Fair 16:35:16 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Having united goals is something we can work towards though. I don't think we should try to "Universalize Lore" or events that happen for certain groups, but we all should understand that if an event happened for your group (IE blowing up a city) 16:35:37 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: And Leatei brought up another good point. We need to be sure to stand up for what is canon in lore, and not let the server be controlled by proxxies. We don't want a Moonguard situation where people RP as kings or bishops through the fons honorum of lands 16:35:40 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: that they completely made up. 16:35:44 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: That that event should be. . . Glossed over, in favor of opening RP to others who weren't a part of that. 16:36:18 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Agreed, Gauf. 16:36:34 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Totes fair. 16:36:51 [Leatei-Sentinels]: One thing we don't have a lot of on our server is "House" RP, which I think is a good thing, since I see that on a lot of other servers where people try to exert control IC over whatever title they've decided for themselves. 16:37:13 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Well, if I may: 16:37:16 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Not to say that anyone shouldn't have X title, but that it shouldn't grant significant IC power over people who don't explicitly want to be a part of it. 16:37:24 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I um...might have 'sinned' in that respect. 16:37:34 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: THe House RP in itself isn't the issue; it's the fact that there's no exact server clarification on what the actual authorities are. 16:37:41 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: For instance, no one ever agrees what the laws in Stormwind are 16:37:48 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Or who jas jurisidiction were 16:37:48 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: ^ 16:37:49 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: *where 16:37:58 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Yes. 16:38:01 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Agreed. 16:38:03 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: So, people then just turn things into an OOC popularity contet to support their claim. 16:38:06 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And how far Stormwind stretches. 16:38:12 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Houses aren't horrible, they just can't assume that "We are the most powerful house!" etcetc. 16:38:25 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: So someone claiming to be a gurad can't just bully 16:38:35 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Way I always saw them, Houses were all equal in power. 16:38:37 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Something I'd also like to create in the near future is an IC addendum for us to agree what the rules of Stormwind City are. 16:38:43 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Atleast the things we can speculate from lore 16:39:02 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I can see that, if we all agree on it. 16:39:09 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think a big part of it can fall under Alliance or Horde jurisdiction, as many zones are designated as one or the other, but I think any 'contested' zone needs to be handled per the RP scene happening at the time. 16:39:10 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Basic things like no summoning undead or demons anywhere apart from the Lamb, etc. 16:39:15 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Agreeing will be the fun part. Heh 16:39:19 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Or murder. 16:39:22 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: ^ 16:39:29 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: It doesn't need to be too in depth either 16:39:33 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Just something very simple. 16:39:33 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I'm not talking the little petty stuff, stuff like murder, theft, clear crimes 16:39:42 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Speaking of horde/alliance contestation. . . How do we go about RP-PVP? 16:39:42 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I don't think there'll be much contention on 'laws', since I don't think anything really needs to be outlined other than the obvious. 16:39:51 [Valsorna-Sentinels]: Since my guild is an RP-PVP based guild. 16:39:51 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: You would be shocked. 16:40:00 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Take this scenario for instance, that's popular 16:40:10 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Who had jurisdiction in the Cathedral Square, a Paladin or the Stormwind Guard? 16:40:10 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Forgive me, if I may be so bold. I do feel as if we are circling back to topics that have been discussed earlier in the meeting.' 16:40:11 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: So.. i should release the orphans I have secretly taken from Stormwind to feed my pet drake? 16:40:19 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: The caravan is a neutral trading guild. 16:40:41 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We are circling a bit, Raeli, but I think this is relevant to the overall community goals and getting everyone on the same page 16:40:47 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: i think this falls back under trying to police other people's RP though. 16:40:52 [Leatei-Sentinels]: And that was the last topic I had planned, unless someone else had something to bring up. 16:41:15 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Big servers have so many little problems... That's one thing that is great about our server group - we're small so we are still able to work things out on a personal level without a lot of backlash. 16:41:17 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: obviously if you call someone out ooc "hey, that's not a thing that is allowed" and the person continues to do it but it's not a violation of TOS, then you should wash your hands of it. 16:41:24 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: I would like to, if I may. 16:41:26 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Probably 16:41:27 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Just...ignore and walk away. 16:41:34 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Well, there's a massive difference between policing someones rp and doing something that's contrary to cannon. Things that even blue posts and the Metzen have said are bad things to do in RP 16:41:58 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Gau, please let us know when we're done with your topic, so we can move to Raeli's. 16:42:09 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: PLease, by all means,let Raeli proceed. 16:42:18 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Thank you. 16:43:09 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: While much has been reviewed in the meeting tonight. I have recalled something that has escaped my notice during our topic of Open World Rp, and Community. 16:43:50 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Naturally, guild's through Role-playing in their favored locations gather a sense of territory. Much like any person gathers from going to a location or sitting in a seat in class repeatedly. 16:44:14 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: This repitition of role-play of course creates hubs. An example would be the Wyrmhearth in Loch Modan. 16:44:45 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: While no guild actually 'owns' these locations, there is still that attatchment for those guilds, and those players. 16:46:00 [Nerva-Sentinels]: I have an issue, maybe. 16:46:08 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: And naturally, those who feel that the area gives them a sense of home. May react as anyone would who has trespassed. Please do not take this personally, it can be a natural reaction. However to try and push others out of their favored locations, is 16:46:08 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: something I hope does not come to pass. 16:46:26 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: I mean, how would we all feel if a group came along and tried to push the Dragonsworn out of Loch Modan? 16:46:31 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Naturally, there would be conflict. 16:46:33 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I know with the DSC, we do try to share the space of the Stoutlager Inn. We have people IC asking the NPCs for drinks, and if we're serving that night, the bartender just offers to get the drinks instead. 16:46:43 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: I think that should correspond not to the Guilds directly, but rather to their subject of lore. For instance, DSW may RP a lot in Thelsemar, but that's by no mean their territory. The Wyrmret Temple in Dragonblight, would be an entirely different  16:47:06 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: If I may continue. 16:47:15 [Leatei-Sentinels]: It's important to share spaces and that no one can, through RP, lay claim to any place in-game. 16:47:18 [Leatei-Sentinels]: please do, Raeli. 16:47:20 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: As I am not finished. 16:47:31 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: matter. They would have authority in the Wyrmrest Temple over say, NDC or even the Stormwind guard, because they are a part of that lore. But, if there were another guild that rped Wyrmrest Accord, it wouldn't be monopolized by one guild. 16:47:35 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: And please - continue 16:48:33 [Nerva-Sentinels]: I feel as though I have a relevant potential issue. 16:48:48 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We'll get to you next, Nerva. 16:48:51 [Nerva-Sentinels]: k 16:49:08 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Guild's and their gathering places are not subject to lore. The Lore is not a law, it is a guidline and can be flexed. The Story however is not flexible. There-fore not every location that a guild is in, will be lore relevant. 16:49:27 [Noelina-Sentinels]: I may have something to add to the topic once the others have spoken. 16:50:17 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Actually, it would be in some situations. Take my guild for instance. If we were in the Scarlet Monastery, we would have jurisdiction to tell any non-scarlet guild to leave, or would have the right to IC combat them over it. 16:50:35 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Can raeli finish please? 16:50:42 [Leatei-Sentinels]: No, you wouldn't. And please let Raeli finish. 16:51:37 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: However, do remember to take your guild's context into consideration. 16:52:10 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Naturally, as we mentioned before. It would certainly be out of place for a coven of warlocks to gather inside the cathedral. 16:52:35 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Or a bunch of paladins to meet in the catacombs under the slaughtered lamb. 16:52:47 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Hilarious as that thought is. 16:53:28 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Do take into mind, that some role contexts conflict with the enviornment, and may not always be welcome where you travel. IE: Any of you into horde towns. 16:53:56 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Forgive me, I may have gone on a tangent. I am finished. 16:54:06 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: *raises hand* 16:54:16 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: i thought humans were welcome in org.. 16:54:34 [Kirawolfkin-Sentinels]: I must bow out, Dinner needs to be made. it was a pleasure meeting you all. :) 16:54:34 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay, yes, I agree that contextual locations help, but touching on a previous point, no one has OOC authority over any location. 16:54:41 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: wasn't it Nerva next? 16:54:49 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Nerva, then Nina, then Gam. 16:54:59 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: that's why i raised hand. to be put on the waiting list. :3 16:55:32 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Of course not. And I may have mispoken, I did not mean to say OOc authority, only IC practice. I.E the Stormwind Guard IC would face difficulty trying to arrest a Scarlet Rper in the Scarlet Monastery - because it's now the vicinity of the Scarlet Crusade 16:55:33 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We just need to re-touch on the point of asking to join RP. A group may not be in a location IC (such as westguard keep being used as a placeholder for a garrison) 16:55:48 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I'd like to also say something. when my turn comes. 16:56:16 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay, Nerva, you had an issue? 16:56:30 [Nerva-Sentinels]: My characters, the twins, are living in a named location on Draenor called Arbor Glen. They are very territorial about this place and I guess there hasn't been any issue yet, but this seems relevant to people claiming land. Is it okay for my characters 16:56:30 [Nerva-Sentinels]: and their written family to live in and claim that space or what should I do instead? 16:57:00 [Nerva-Sentinels]: The lot of you seem to be very hard on you can't claim stuff. 16:57:05 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think it's fine to claim that as your home. You'll just have to keep in mind that other people may RP there or also claim it as their home (maybe you can work out to have been old friends!) 16:57:15 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: ^^ 16:57:25 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think the confusion is the world 'claim'. You can claim you're from anywhere, but not that you own a place and have authority to remove others. 16:57:29 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Less 'it's mine' and more 'we all live here'. 16:57:39 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: It depends on the cirumstance and how much it effects the lore. Saying you own a house is expected. Saying you're the King of Lordaeron or in complete control of the military would be something obstructive. 16:57:55 [Leatei-Sentinels]: And that all goes back to not controlling someone else's RP. 16:58:04 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Not that I am accusing you of that, but to provide an example of what would not be acceptable conduct. 16:58:05 [Nerva-Sentinels]: I actually meant this tiny little valley being owned by a family. 16:58:09 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: That would be a good defenition of a Mary-sue Gaufred, thank you for sharing. 16:58:39 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Pleasure! And I liked your point on territorial claims. It's very important. 16:58:44 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I don't think anyone would have a problem with that, Nerva, but you may encounter someone else who also claims that as their home. 16:59:00 [Leatei-Sentinels]: It's important to remember that the in-game world is much MUCH smaller than the IC world. 16:59:11 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Goldshire is a small city or large town, not four buildings. 16:59:24 [Leatei-Sentinels]: So there's plenty of room, IC, to share spaces. 16:59:31 [Nerva-Sentinels]: If that happens I'll work it out with them >.> If it's not an issue with the information I've given I'm done. 16:59:50 [Leatei-Sentinels]: As long as you can work out any conflicts with other individuals, there's no issue whatsoever. 16:59:55 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Nerva, my advice is this: Look at the Warcraft Universe as though it were in the movies or in the books, as a reader. Your character can do a lot, but they can't really change official arcs and plots. For instance, no one is going to read  16:59:57 [Nerva-Sentinels]: Cool. 17:00:15 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Gau. 17:00:21 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Please. There are others who wish to talk. 17:00:26 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Please wait your turn. 17:00:27 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: ^ 17:00:44 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: You are neither the bride, nor the corpse. It's everyone's party. 17:00:47 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Sorry I didn't see there was a line 17:00:59 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Just as a quick example, I know that on WrA, there are no less than 5 guilds that call Aerie Peak home. Most of those just respect the others, moving to another room if someone else is RPing in an area. We just have to respect each other. 17:01:06 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: It was rather neatly laid out, Gam, then Noe, then myself. 17:01:08 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay, Nina had a point to cover. 17:01:19 [Nerva-Sentinels]: Thanks for that, everyone. 17:01:25 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Did Gam not have a point? 17:01:32 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: no i'm after nina 17:01:39 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: fair enough. 17:01:44 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: *smile* 17:03:45 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Did I strike a nerv? I'm sorry. But...we each should get a chance to speak. 17:04:16 [Leatei-Sentinels]: No, he let me know that he had to get going, but would take to the forums later if we didn't cover what he was going to ssay. 17:04:33 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Real life does tend to steal us away at sudden times. 17:04:40 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Most unfortunent times. 17:04:45 [Noelina-Sentinels]: On the subject of territory, I've gotten a sense in recent months there seems to be a general feeling - whether conscious or otherwise - of an "our place" and a "their place" with respect to the RP hubs. 17:05:25 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I will admit, I've been guilty of it at times. One thing that seems to make me see it as more 'mine' or 'ours' is when rude conduct occurs-how dare someone be rude in 'my house'? 17:06:05 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Which is only natural, as Raeli pointed out - but whether we're conscious of it or not, this seems to have led to a reluctance to RP at "their place," wherever that may be, and a preference to always be at "our place." 17:07:18 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Which overall is not healthy for community, as it further segregates "us" from "them". I think an effort needs to be made to make sure people know they're welcome in the public RP hubs regardless of where they normally hang out. 17:07:40 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: What would those hubs be? Like the Wyrmhearth and SRT? 17:07:54 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Indeed, however lets also consider that some characters may not wish to travel to a hub. Even if the players enjoy going there themselves. 17:08:36 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Hopefully getting some more inter-guild RP and maybe more advertising of open events will help remove those barriers. 17:09:01 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: A warm welcome can be extended to all OOCly, however if the characters do not feel welcome in an area. Then we can respect others to stay true to their character's feelings. 17:09:58 [Noelina-Sentinels]: WH and SRT are the two that I know of. And yes, IC preference will be IC preference. OOC preference will be OOC preference as well. However, these spaces are public spaces, and it ought to be made clear to everyone that they're welcome there. 17:10:33 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Provided, of course, they behave civilly and follow established RP guidelines as we've discussed. 17:11:12 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay, Gam, you had a question? 17:11:22 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: i have a couple of statements, actually, 17:11:41 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Please fell free and let us know when you're done so we can respond :) 17:11:47 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: one of the things that we keep coming back to is whether something is in the lore or not. and since none of our characters is a lore character, we have to work within the confines of the precedents set before. Not everyone is going to be completely "withi 17:12:00 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: "within the lines" but there are some glaring inconsistencies that need to be called out 17:12:11 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: when someone says they're the daughter of whitemane and mograine, i'm going to be call them out. if someone says they're any type of official and tries to leverage my behavior in some way, whether called for or not, it's an attempt to police/influence my 17:12:14 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: RP 17:12:26 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: when someone tries to call out "this isn't the lore" while playing a fanatical zealot based out of tirisfall glades who has no reason to come to duskwood, it's a little hypocritical. 17:12:41 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: There have been instances of stormwind guards coming in and starting trouble. There is a female guard who comes in every once in a while, and RPs without causing trouble or trying to influence other peoples' RP.

17:12:56 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: None of us should be trying to police or control other people in their RP, with the intention of changing how they're playing. if we whisper to someone that what they're doing is inappropriate, we can suggest other things, or we can choose to not RP w the 17:13:00 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: with them* 17:13:37 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: we can have our spaces, and we should respect each others spaces, but it seems that a lot of the problem we are running into stems from people not playiing the way we want to play. 17:14:29 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: there shouldn't be any talk of "authority" or "jurisdiction" because none of us are in charge of others, nor should we try to be. 17:15:54 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: He does raise a very good point, is it truely ethical to have those playing stormwind guards attempt to use their 'authority' to impose upon others and their roleplay? 17:15:58 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I agree. No one should interfere with someone else's RP, even if it's outside of lore. (There are servers with Harry Potter guilds). If it can't be worked out in whispers, ignoring is probably the best temporary solution until 17:16:00 [Leatei-Sentinels]: a larger conversation can be had with their guild officers. 17:16:33 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I suggest whispers first, because perhaps it's a new RPer who doesn't know that it's not terribly reasonable to be the child of a major lore character. 17:17:04 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Or the lovechild of Thrall and Jaina. 17:17:06 [Leatei-Sentinels]: As an aside, I think that's something we forget. While most of us are adults, there are children and teenagers who play, and some of them RP, as well. 17:17:43 [Tehoracle-Sentinels]: That was me once! 17:18:03 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I can think of several RPers who are now adults that I knew when they were teenagers. 17:18:21 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Many players grew up playing this game. 17:19:12 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: and some players turn 18 but are still children. but if someone is underage, they and their parents have a responsibility to turn off mature language filters and avoid places where they encounter trouble. If something is against TOS, they can and should 17:19:47 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: report it. 17:19:49 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Agreed. 17:19:55 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Now, Sandy, thank you for being so patient. 17:20:22 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Please, do not be afraid to speak freely by the way everyone. 17:20:48 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I don't know if it's been brought up, but Gam smack it on the head. 17:21:00 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Respect. 17:21:23 [Leatei-Sentinels]: 100% 17:21:26 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Both in and out of character. Show up. Act lioke a dick in or out of character. people are going to respond. 17:21:50 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: They may not respond well. 17:22:34 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: This is our community, and until recently we had a high level of respect. As a person I might not care for someone, but by god I respected them in and out of character. 17:23:32 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Bring an abrasive character around, he's not going to win friends. And honestly, if a player does that, and cries about it, they only have themselves to blame. 17:23:58 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: We are all people. WE all have feelings and reactions. I do not like being baited and berated, and I will try to treat you with as much courtesy as I can. 17:24:17 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: But I only go so far. So please. Please. Do not act like a dick and expect anyone to take it. 17:24:56 [Noelina-Sentinels]: ^ 17:25:04 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Sorry, that's my piece. That's been the *big* thing on my mind for the last week. When the level of respect gets so poor that a player doesn't want to rp anymore. 17:25:08 [Leatei-Sentinels]: (Phrasing) 17:25:10 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Or seriously considers server xfering. 17:25:18 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: We have a problem. A very. Very big one. 17:25:41 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And yes, I've had people from the caravan that have approached me about this. It bugs me. 17:26:15 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I would also like to note that if you hear of someone intentionally harassing another player, especially if they have a *stated goal* of getting that person to leave the game or server, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take all evidence you can to Blizzard. 17:26:25 [Leatei-Sentinels]: This was not a rumor. This happened. This is not okay. 17:26:38 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: It did? 17:26:38 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Leatei, I've taken more screen shots of rude behaviour in the last week than I have in the last 5 years. 17:26:49 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: :( 17:26:51 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And honestly, it's a specific group. 17:26:51 [Leatei-Sentinels]: That's one reason for the meeting, Sandy. 17:26:54 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I know. 17:27:05 [Leatei-Sentinels]: And yes, Mabyn. By people who used to be officers of Oracle's guild. 17:27:05 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I'm not trying to point fingers, just say hey, we have an elepant. 17:27:14 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: He's in the room, he's purple, and he's kind of freaking me out. 17:27:22 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: His name is Babar 17:27:25 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Purple?  Are you sure it's not an Elekk? 17:27:30 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I could be durnk... 17:27:44 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Little early for brewfest innit? 17:27:53 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Raeli.  When do I ever dry out? 17:28:09 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: You dont, because you're afraid the collective hangover would kill you. 17:28:15 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Yes. 17:28:17 [Leatei-Sentinels]: PHRASING! 17:28:18 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: >.> 17:28:34 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Okay, are there any other topics that anyone would like to bring up? 17:28:51 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I have said my piece, aired my laundry, and thank you for letting me bitch. 17:28:51 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Future meetings. 17:29:01 [Eirona-Sentinels]: The inevitable heat death of the universe. 17:29:04 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Needless to say, this one meeting will not be a panacea. 17:29:19 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I do like the idea of monthly or bi monthly meetings. 17:29:23 [Ehrathorn-Sentinels]: please don't use big words.. you have a warrior in attendance 17:29:35 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: This one meeting will not be a cure-all. 17:29:54 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: This will need work. From all of us-those in attendance and those who are not. 17:29:58 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think bi monthly. And we'll shake up the times so more people can participate at least sometimes. 17:30:14 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: This has to be a server wide effort. Thanks Leatei, I was racin for the gates today and got caught 17:30:23 [Leatei-Sentinels]: So the next meeting would be the beginning of May, we'll choose another day of the week. 17:30:53 [Leatei-Sentinels]: No worries! We'll try to make the next more convenient for you. 17:30:53 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: can we do it hair later? 17:30:56 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: *offers to put a leash on sandy* 17:30:58 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: We as a community, need to communicate like this. To discuss issues that are relevant to us as a community and through our communication, we will also create that sense of unity and those bonds we have as our goals. 17:31:03 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Yeah, I think a couple hours later, on a Sunday? 17:31:16 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: No, if 3 server time works for everyone else, and you don't mind me being late, then don't mind me. 17:31:35 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: 3 server is way early for me. normally i'd still be at work for another two hours from now. 17:31:54 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I like the idea of having at least the majority of guild leaders involved, but I'd like for people to at least be able to attend one here and there. 17:32:34 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: I feel kind of bad that this didn't happen sooner. These meetings are a wonderful idea. 17:33:48 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I don't think I realized how bad things had gotten until this past week (I got a lot of whispers over btag), since I haven't been very active on Sentinels since the aforementioned harassment. 17:34:00 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: I'd appreciate more turn taking with them then a box of fast rolling text of everyone throwing in stuff :/ 17:34:13 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: to be fair, before this last week, there really weren't any problems... 17:34:22 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Yeah. Next time we can...I don't know...have a 'stick' of sorts. draw lots. something. 17:34:25 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Oh, there were, Gamorr. There were just more recently. 17:34:31 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Weren't as many problems. 17:34:33 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Only the person holding the conch may speak. 17:34:36 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Or as glaringly obvious. 17:34:46 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: All hail the magic conch. 17:34:48 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: oh I know. 17:34:59 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: we pass rl. rl does rw of their idea and we discuss it in raid? 17:35:06 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: i... want to hold the conch.... 17:35:09 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: giggity 17:35:14 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: shut up redbull. 17:36:04 [Noelina-Sentinels]: I do think turns would work well. We could roll for initiative or something. 17:36:10 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: ooh yes. 17:36:13 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: wat 17:36:14 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: no 17:36:32 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Don't roll initiative at a meeting for taking turns for who speaks. 17:36:37 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think now that we have a base to work from, we'll probably end up with smaller meetings that'll be a little better controlled. 17:36:43 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: it's just a way... 17:36:44 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I honestly didn't expect such a great turn-out. 17:37:05 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: DnD doesn't work in board rooms :( 17:37:22 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: it's not initiative, it's just an arbitrary random way to pick. 17:38:59 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: kay 17:39:08 [Noelina-Sentinels]: The simplest way is just to go down the raid groups. The order shouldn't matter so long as everyone gets a chance to clearly voice their thoughts. 17:39:10 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Sorry. 17:40:03 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: If I may add one final note, as our friends the Windswords have reminded me. 17:40:46 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: We are in this together. WE are a community. 17:41:06 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: As Noelina said before, there are many RP hubs, and all should feel welcome at them. I wish to add one more to our notice in Redridge. Where Aroan hosts a tavern. He wished for me to make sure that was knowledge in case talk of hubs came to be. Before the 17:41:06 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: end of the meeting that is, which I feel may be upon us as things calm. 17:41:32 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And remember. Respect. Dont' be a dick. You might like yours, but no one else wants to see it. 17:41:51 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Sandy. 17:42:24 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: That one wasent even phrasing... 17:42:27 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Yes Raeli. That was inapropriate. 17:42:43 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: And for that, I appologize. But my point stands. Respect each other. 17:43:04 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Then I will take this transcript, summarize and anonymize, and post on the forums. 17:43:13 [Leatei-Sentinels]: To conclude, I quote Wil Wheaton: "Don't be a dick." 17:43:16 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Fantastic! Thank you! 17:43:24 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: thanks all 17:43:32 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Shall we adjorn here then and prepare for our notices of the next meeting in may?" 17:43:50 [Noelina-Sentinels]: Before we adjourn, I'd like to mention that Leatei has been simply amazing in contributing her time and energy to put all this together. 17:43:59 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: ^^ Thank you Leatei. 17:44:00 [Noelina-Sentinels]: I really can't thank her enough. 17:44:08 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: ./applause 17:44:12 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: It would have been easier to let it burn, but you didn't. Thank you for trying to salvage our community. 17:44:20 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Yes, a round of applause for Leatei! 17:44:23 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: agreed. thank you lea. 17:44:26 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: Well, not trying.  We aren't under yet. 17:44:29 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Thank you, Leatei! 17:44:34 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Thank you for your hard work in putting this together. 17:44:42 [Gamorr-Sentinels]: later everyone 17:44:46 [Leatei-Sentinels]: We might be taking on water, but we've far from sunk. 17:45:05 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: We'll toss some mud in it. Bit of tar. She'll be fixed right up. 17:45:07 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: We'll just hand everyone buckets. 17:45:29 [Sandaal-Sentinels]: It is a gropu effort. Now if you will all pardon me, I'm done with adulting for the night and I need my nap :3 17:45:43 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I would like you guys to get together a NDC page (if you haven't yet) so we can get officers officially listed on the wikia that Gaurfred set up for us. 17:46:01 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: Already have a draft on word in the works 17:46:49 [Raelisenna-Sentinels]: I'll be certain to get it prepared and ready for submission to the wikia. 17:46:51 [Leatei-Sentinels]: beautiful. 17:47:18 [Leatei-Sentinels]: I think Nina's working on a DSC one, and hopefully we'll get some up for all the other RP guilds/groups, too. 17:47:51 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Does anyone have a link to that wiki? 17:47:55 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: I do. 17:48:02 [Leatei-Sentinels]: sentinelsus.wikia.com 17:48:06 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: Also, how useful is the wiki if I have to ask for a link on the game and can't find it by googling it? 17:48:09 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: sentin http://sentinelsus.wikia.com/wiki/Sentinels(US)_Wikia 17:48:12 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: woops 17:48:14 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: http://sentinelsus.wikia.com/wiki/Sentinels(US)_Wikia 17:48:20 [Mabyn-Sentinels]: I don't think new players will just look at it 17:48:31 [Leatei-Sentinels]: well, it won't move up in google ranks until it gets more traffic. 17:48:34 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: Which is why we need to raise awareness about it. 17:48:49 [Caliah-Sentinels]: Maybe everyone should throw it in the bottom of their MRP or whatever they use. 17:48:53 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: We've had 27 pages in a week though. Which is pretty good progress, given the server size. 17:48:54 [Leatei-Sentinels]: Especially since the current wiki thread on the forums is 6 years old and no longer functional. 17:48:57 [Gaufred-Sentinels]: And I agree, Caliah. 17:50:13 [Leatei-Sentinels]: ... my wiki page is more up to date than my rp profile in game....

Meeting Summary
Good afternoon everybody! Just to let you know, I have a good portion of this pre-typed, so please have patience while things are copied and pasted. I have some things to say before I'll open up for questions and comments, but we'll make sure to address everyone's concerns, and I will post a summary of our discussion on the server forums after we've wrapped up, so the discussion can continue for those unable to attend today. I'd also like to promote the wiki that some of our newer friends have made, at sentinelsus.wikia.com There's a great template for character pages, and it'd be nice to get pages up for guilds and recurring RP events, as well. Please have patience while all the wiki stuff gets updated and properly formatted, but by the nature of wikis, feel free to contribute! I am also currently working on a small flash program that will create a customized portrait for your character, should you not have one to use, but keep in mind that this will take me a few weeks to complete.

First off, I think we need to re-establish the general rules of the game, as laid out by Blizzard. This includes no ERP in public channels, no harassment (including unwanted whispers), and no griefing RP events. If you see any of these things, report, ignore, move on. Reporting to Blizzard via the in-game system is great, but if you can, please also report to the person's guild officers, so that it can be handled more efficiently, especially if it's something that doesn't necessarily fall against the rules, but is a detriment to the RP community (metagaming, severe mary sues, etc)

On the list of topics today are Guild Drama, Etiquette, World RP, and RP Community Goals. If you have anything else you'd like to discuss, please let me know and we'll go over it. If you don't want to say something in raid chat, feel free to whisper me and I'll bring it up so you can remain anonymous. Any questions at this point?

Okay! Getting to the deep stuff! RE: Guild Drama

I think there's been a lot of misconceptions, preconceptions, and miscommunication between guilds on our server group. This is the main reason for our meeting today, and I'd again like to thank everyone for attending. I think a lot of the issues we've had can be solved with being a bit more open-mindedness, and acting like adults. What I mean by that is to step back, calm down, and talk out our problems with each other. If you can't solve your problem with an individual, take it to their guild. If any discussion needs a 3rd party to mediate, don't be afraid to ask! I think we all want this to be a strong community, and that starts with good communication.

I know not everyone works in the same exact storyline, and with lore revisions left and right there are always conflicts on what is and isn't considered canon. However, if you can't work things out with someone, there is no obligation to RP with that person. Rather than escalating a situation, just don't RP with that individual.

You say we can just not RP with that person, but when people come to an RP event try to control the RP through interactions, it leaves very little room to disengage, short of just not RPing. specifically, i've been witness to several accounts of IC interactions where people are basically saying "you're doing it wrong" or other interactions where people have outright tried to force people to stop whatever they are doing iC

This something that needs to be taken up with their guild officers, then. Because if someone doesn't like your character, and they're coming up to you, then it's on them to walk away. If they start trying to control your interactions or start hurling insults, that's harassment and needs to be dealt with appropriately.

so what you're sayiing, in no uncertain terms, is that if you don't like someone else's RP, it's not your responsibility to try to police it as long as it doesn't violate TOS, right? That's correct. No one has an obligation to RP with anyone else, but if you try to interfere with *their* RP, then you are the one in the wrong.

We also have to understand that there is a difference between the IC and the OOC. When we Role-play, we take on the role of our characters, and act as they would in their contexts. Physical, Historical, Social, Psychological & Emotional, and even Cultural contexts are all what we assume away from our own when we play. This means of course that there will be some roles that will not get along so swimmingly with others. Just because someone doens't like your character, doesn't mean there is a problem OOC. It can be difficult to make that dinstinction, but separating OOC and IC interactions is extremely important to reduce OOC drama and makes for better RP overall.

What if someone's characters tend to treat my characters more poorly than others with little or no reason? Our characters have just met for the first time, but my characters tend to be treated very poorly compared to anyone else's. I feel like I'm being bullied.

If it's by a single individual, I'd try to point it out to them - they may not realize they're doing it. If you can't work it out with that person, I'd either go to their guild officers or ask a 3rd party to help mediate the situation. Maybe we can add that to the wiki page, where people can list themselves as volunteers to mediate issues, and times they're usually available. Indeed, with interpersonal communication there are always multiple messages being sent. Even those that we're not aware of, to the other person. And while we may mean to send one message, they may interpret it as something else based on what they see or hear. Many roleplayers get caught up in their characters so much, that they may not realize that they are doing it. Asking OOC should never be a faux pas. It helps let everyone know what you are feeling. So that we can try to help everyone enjoy it.

Miscommunication is so much more frequent with text-based interactions, it may help when getting into difficult situations IC to use more descriptive phrasing for your emotes (to make up for nonverbal communications) to clarify your character's intentions and mood. This may include facial expressions, body language, and tone.

We've already mentioned ERP, but I think it's important to touch on it again (phrasing!) Public displays of affection aren't necessarily ERP, but if it's something that would get you asked to leave a mall or restaurant IRL, don't do it in public chat. This includes descriptions of nudity, genitals, and bodily fluids. I also want to mention consent. This includes whispers, and IC and OOC consent - if someone isn't comfortable with a situation, STOP. If the scene is that important for character development, but a player isn't comfortable RPing it out, fade to black and hand-wave it. Remember, a lack of no doesn't mean yes.

It's important to communicate OOC in any situation where there's high tension (good or bad) IC. This includes joining any RP scene that you may come across. While we are trying to promote open Role-play. Many guilds will host internal events for their members to partake in. If you desire to join, please be courteous and ask the members before stepping in. If they decline, then they have declined. They wish to keep it internal, that's fine. If they welcome you in to the RP. Then a new adventure awaits.

"Mind if I join you?" is one of the best questions one can ask.

Please. Please. Ask to join. I was running something last night, had about three players show up, play 'chapperone' then leave. One of them attempted to co-opt the event and take over. I did not appreciate it, but I still invited them to go anyway. It's only polite. Like, more the merrier, it was supposed to be a fun little thing. But what bothered me is felt like we were being 'checked on', then someone tried to just take over. And the next time I run a funsie little thing, I'll toss invites to the gleaders-we can make it a server event.

That's definitely not cool. Anyone trying to interfere with someone else's RP event is in the wrong, plain and simple.We're trying to get guild pages on the wikia, so we can list officers for each guild so you can at least touch base with them before it becomes a real problem.

Characters don't have to perform an emote to be too innapropriate. Sometimes IC dialogue can be crude or make someone uncomfortable. Don't be afraid to ask someone to tone it down (IC or OOC). We all have different opinions of what is and isn't appropriate language in a situation.

Now, most characters have interesting quirks, and unique qualities, but that doesn't mean it's fun to RP with a character that has no consequences. If your character is starting fights in a bar, they're probably going to be escorted out by whatever form of security there is (bouncer, city guards, etc)... obviously this can't be enforced through game mechanics, but stories don't advance if you remove yourself from all forms of consequence for your character's actions.

This includes the separation between your knowledge and your character's knowledge. If something isn't obvious from a character's emotes or descriptions, your character probably doesn't know it. It isn't always easy to keep separate, and I don't think anyone would be upset with a quick whisper of "Oh, hey, I didn't say my name." or "You wouldn't know I was X unless........"

Don't be afraid to ret-con! We all make mistakes, and it's easy to go back and re-post your greeting without someone's unknown name. Or to alter your profile a bit so that your adult war-veteran Night Elf isn't 30 years old...

World RP! Let's do it more! Show how fun RP can be, and remember that intentional griefing of RP is against the Blizzard ToS on RP servers, so report it as such (include the server, time, character names if possible, and what was done to interfere with your RP)

Don't be afraid to interact with other servers, as well. We don't have a lot going on between Sentinels, Kirin Tor, and Steamwheedle Cartel, despite being in the same server group now. Also don't be afraid to set things up (outside of SW/Org) with people on Argent Dawn, The Scryers, and Earthen Ring.

Some RP addons allow viewing of profiles across servers, and are always good for flagging yourself as IC and/or open for RP. There's nothing wrong with inviting friends via battletag or RealID from other servers so they can attend RP events on our server(s).

Here's where I really want a lot of input. I think we'd all benefit from some stated mutual goals. Some things I'd like to see is more world/pick-up RP. Not just scheduled guild events. I'd also like to see more interaction between the servers and cooperative guild events and joint storylines. I'll leave that up to the guild officers themselves to coodinate and schedule, but I think everyone would benefit from that - not only having a richer storyline, but also meeting new characters and players.

Other points: If something happens to an area in your guild or group's storyline (such as rebuilding Moonbrook), that may or may not be accepted by others. This should be addressed on a case by case basis should your guild host an event in an altered area. It may be best to gloss over any changes not in the game or in official lore, in favor of being more inclusive of more RPers for the event.

It is important to not try to exert control over other people's RP. This includes having X title or rank In Character, and trying to use that to grant yourself authority over another player/character or location. We would like to decide on a basic set of "laws" for major cities, to include common sense like theft or murder being illegal an that a guard would reasonably interfere. Outside of cities, zone designated as Alliance or Horde territory would fall under jurisdiction of the factions, and any "contested" zone would depend on the specific RP scene as to who would have IC authority, if anyone.

Our server group has the advantage of being a small RP community so we are still able to work things out on a personal level without a lot of backlash. If you feel a need to speak to someone OOC because you disagree with the way they are RPing, and they choose to continue RPing the way they want regardless of your opinion, then it is your responsibility to ignore and move on, or report anything that violates the TOS.

RP groups and guilds tend to favor a particular area for their RP locations. There can be a sense of ownership about this, and we should try to remember to politely share spaces, but please don't take offense if someone becomes a little territorial, especially IC. We should not, however, try to push others out of any location they may be using. In this vein, try to keep in mind the context of a location. It will be easier for other players to believe a warlock group meets in the Slaughtered Lamb than in the Cathedral, and vise-versa for paladins.

One note brought up is IC and OOC territory. It would not be polite or acceptable behavior for one guild to go to another guild's "home" and try to force them out or "arrest" them IC. It is also not polite or acceptable to try to prevent others from sharing a space, even if you want to have an IC fight to determine "ownership"

We also revisited the point of politely asking a group before you try to join their RP. Either IC ("Hello, travelers, might I join you at your table?"), or OOC ("((Hey, do you mind if I jump in?))"), as areas are sometimes used as placeholders for less convenient locations.

Ownership and territory become a little more vague in regards to character histories - while anyone may claim a location as their home, so can anyone else. This is a topic to be worked out on an individual basis ("Hey, you're from X? My character grew up there, maybe they knew each other!"). It's also important to keep in mind that the world of Azeroth is much larger than it appears in game. A large town may be only a few buildings, or a village just one house in the actual game, so there is plenty of room to share spaces in character.

If that happens I'll work it out with them >.> If it's not an issue with the information I've given I'm done.

As long as you can work out any conflicts with other individuals, there's no issue whatsoever.

We have been insular in recent months, each of us sticking to the same locations and not interacting with other groups or guilds. We should attempt to break these bounds and return to more open, interactive RP to promote a healthier RP community. We will make more effort to make sure everyone knows they are welcome at other RP hubs regardless of where they normally RP.

one of the things that we keep coming back to is whether something is in the lore or not. and since none of our characters is a lore character, we have to work within the confines of the precedents set before. Not everyone is going to be completely "within the lines" There have been instances of stormwind guards coming in and starting trouble. There is a female guard who comes in every once in a while, and RPs without causing trouble or trying to influence other peoples' RP. None of us should be trying to police or control other people in their RP, with the intention of changing how they're playing. if we whisper to someone that what they're doing is inappropriate, we can suggest other things, or we can choose to not RP with them. We can have our spaces, and we should respect each others spaces, but it seems that a lot of the problem we are running into stems from people not playiing the way we want to play. There shouldn't be any talk of "authority" or "jurisdiction" because none of us are in charge of others, nor should we try to be.

No one should interfere with someone else's RP, even if it's completely outside of lore. If it can't be worked out in whispers, ignoring is probably the best temporary solution until a larger conversation can be had with their guild officers if there's an ongoing issue.

I suggest whispers first, because perhaps it's a new RPer who doesn't know that it's not terribly reasonable to be the child of a major lore character. As an aside, I think that's something we forget. While most of us are adults, there are children and teenagers who play, and some of them RP, as well. If something is against TOS, we can and should report it.

Respect. Both in and out of character.

If you behave poorly, people are going to respond accordingly. You don't have to like someone to respect them and treat them with respect. An abrasive character may not find good interactions IC, but that is not indicative of a problem OOC. Try not to take things personally if someone reacts poorly to your character, especially if your character is behaving poorly.

We are all human, with our own lives that color our feelings and reactions. We want to keep a high level of respect on server and make this a better place for everyone.

I would also like to note that if you hear of someone intentionally harassing another player, especially if they have a *stated goal* of getting that person to leave the game or server, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take all evidence you can to Blizzard. This was not a rumor. This happened. This is not okay.

We agreed on bi-monthly meetings (open to the whole server) so that people can bring up any issues that may arise, and to help coordinate inter-guild events.

I will take this transcript, summarize and anonymize, and post on the forums. To conclude, I paraphrase Wil Wheaton: "Don't be a jerk."

TL;DR: Communication, courtesy, respect. Also a new wiki is up at sentinelsus.wikia.com